Podcast
6
min read
James Dice

🎧 #020: Andrew Rodgers on what "open" really means for smart buildings

September 24, 2020
“You hear so many arguments defending the status quo.”

—Andrew Rodgers

Welcome to Nexus, a newsletter and podcast for smart people applying smart building technology—hosted by James Dice. If you’re new to Nexus, you might want to start here.

The Nexus podcast (Apple | Spotify | YouTube | Other apps) is our chance to explore and learn with the brightest in our industry—together. The project is directly funded by listeners like you who have joined the Nexus Pro membership community.

You can join Nexus Pro to get a weekly-ish deep dive, access to the Nexus Vendor Landscape, and invites to exclusive events with a community of smart buildings nerds.

Episode 20 is a conversation with Andrew Rodgers, co-founder of ACE IoT.

Summary

  • This is a masterclass on what the word open means for buildings. Open is a very controversial and murky topic. I think Andrew clears some of that up in this conversation… it’s about choice. It’s about self-actualization.
  • Don’t let the deep nerdiness of this conversation scare you away. If we could unlock the data in our buildings and open up communication, we could do things like help mitigate climate change, create healthier indoor environments, and finally automate our buildings.
  • Andrew and I talked about myths, definitions, and walked through each layer of the smart building stack to unpack it in depth, including how we can learn from slime molds, which have it all figured out.
  • And much, much more.
  1. ACE IoT (2:24)
  2. VOLTTRON (2:34)
  3. Pacific Northwest National Lab (4:42)
  4. Electric Power Research Institute (5:47)
  5. Mike Brooman, Vanti (8:49)
  6. JCI OpenBlue (9:40)
  7. Oracle (20:49)
  8. Arm (24:23)
  9. Deepinder Singh, 75F (24:41)
  10. I²C (25:24)
  11. Calvin Slater, AHR Expo (26:07)
  12. Joe Aamidor (32:40)
  13. Local Law 97 (35:25)
  14. Deb Noller, Switch Automation (37:40)
  15. ASHRAE 223, Google’s Digital Buildings (42:50)
  16. Kubernetes (51:52)
  17. MongoDB (56:26)
  18. Niagara (58:47)
  19. Advanced Supervisory Control 1.0, ASC 2.0 (1:04:16)

You can find Andrew Rodgers on LinkedIn

Enjoy!

Music credit: The Garden State by Audiobinger

THE ABOVE AUDIO, VIDEO, SUMMARY, AND LINKS WILL ALWAYS BE FREE. PODCAST DEEP DIVES WITH MY REACTIONS, MY TOP HIGHLIGHTS, AND THE FULL TRANSCRIPT ARE EXCLUSIVELY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS OF NEXUS PRO.

Here’s this week’s deep dive outline:

  • My reaction, including highlights:
  • Andrew’s answer to my favorite question is the pain-consumer distance and how the market isn’t self-regulating 
  • The difference between open ecosystems and open source 
  • How it all comes down to capabilities that are unlocked and personal preference 
  • Open vs. interoperable 
  • Where open source fits 
  • Walking up the stack from the edge and what open means at each level (hardware, BACnet, APIs, platforms) 
  • Why closed ecosystems won’t help us realize our future vision as an industry and how slime molds have it all figured out 
  • The VOLTTRON open ecosystem and how it innovation happens with that model 
  • How open-source can solve our workforce shortage 
  • Examples of other tech from other industries going from closed to open and how open source is free like puppies. 
  • How open is Niagara?
  • The vision for VOLTTRON and how AceIOT deploys it for their clients 
  • Full transcript
  • Go deeper

Sign Up for Access or Log In to Continue Viewing

Sign Up for Access or Log In to Continue Viewing

“You hear so many arguments defending the status quo.”

—Andrew Rodgers

Welcome to Nexus, a newsletter and podcast for smart people applying smart building technology—hosted by James Dice. If you’re new to Nexus, you might want to start here.

The Nexus podcast (Apple | Spotify | YouTube | Other apps) is our chance to explore and learn with the brightest in our industry—together. The project is directly funded by listeners like you who have joined the Nexus Pro membership community.

You can join Nexus Pro to get a weekly-ish deep dive, access to the Nexus Vendor Landscape, and invites to exclusive events with a community of smart buildings nerds.

Episode 20 is a conversation with Andrew Rodgers, co-founder of ACE IoT.

Summary

  • This is a masterclass on what the word open means for buildings. Open is a very controversial and murky topic. I think Andrew clears some of that up in this conversation… it’s about choice. It’s about self-actualization.
  • Don’t let the deep nerdiness of this conversation scare you away. If we could unlock the data in our buildings and open up communication, we could do things like help mitigate climate change, create healthier indoor environments, and finally automate our buildings.
  • Andrew and I talked about myths, definitions, and walked through each layer of the smart building stack to unpack it in depth, including how we can learn from slime molds, which have it all figured out.
  • And much, much more.
  1. ACE IoT (2:24)
  2. VOLTTRON (2:34)
  3. Pacific Northwest National Lab (4:42)
  4. Electric Power Research Institute (5:47)
  5. Mike Brooman, Vanti (8:49)
  6. JCI OpenBlue (9:40)
  7. Oracle (20:49)
  8. Arm (24:23)
  9. Deepinder Singh, 75F (24:41)
  10. I²C (25:24)
  11. Calvin Slater, AHR Expo (26:07)
  12. Joe Aamidor (32:40)
  13. Local Law 97 (35:25)
  14. Deb Noller, Switch Automation (37:40)
  15. ASHRAE 223, Google’s Digital Buildings (42:50)
  16. Kubernetes (51:52)
  17. MongoDB (56:26)
  18. Niagara (58:47)
  19. Advanced Supervisory Control 1.0, ASC 2.0 (1:04:16)

You can find Andrew Rodgers on LinkedIn

Enjoy!

Music credit: The Garden State by Audiobinger

THE ABOVE AUDIO, VIDEO, SUMMARY, AND LINKS WILL ALWAYS BE FREE. PODCAST DEEP DIVES WITH MY REACTIONS, MY TOP HIGHLIGHTS, AND THE FULL TRANSCRIPT ARE EXCLUSIVELY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS OF NEXUS PRO.

Here’s this week’s deep dive outline:

  • My reaction, including highlights:
  • Andrew’s answer to my favorite question is the pain-consumer distance and how the market isn’t self-regulating 
  • The difference between open ecosystems and open source 
  • How it all comes down to capabilities that are unlocked and personal preference 
  • Open vs. interoperable 
  • Where open source fits 
  • Walking up the stack from the edge and what open means at each level (hardware, BACnet, APIs, platforms) 
  • Why closed ecosystems won’t help us realize our future vision as an industry and how slime molds have it all figured out 
  • The VOLTTRON open ecosystem and how it innovation happens with that model 
  • How open-source can solve our workforce shortage 
  • Examples of other tech from other industries going from closed to open and how open source is free like puppies. 
  • How open is Niagara?
  • The vision for VOLTTRON and how AceIOT deploys it for their clients 
  • Full transcript
  • Go deeper
⭐️ Pro Article

Sign Up for Access or Log In to View

⭐️ Pro Article

Sign Up for Access or Log In to View

Are you interested in joining us at NexusCon 2025? Register now so you don’t miss out!

Join Today

Are you a Nexus Pro member yet? Join now to get access to our community of 600+ members.

Join Today

Have you taken our Smart Building Strategist Course yet? Sign up to get access to our courses platform.

Enroll Now

Get the renowned Nexus Newsletter

Access the Nexus Community

Head over to Nexus Connect and see what’s new in the community. Don’t forget to check out the latest member-only events.

Go to Nexus Connect

Upgrade to Nexus Pro

Join Nexus Pro and get full access including invite-only member gatherings, access to the community chatroom Nexus Connect, networking opportunities, and deep dive essays.

Sign Up